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NG Store in Glenside?

Posted by TomFulp - September 18th, 2007


So there's an interesting opportunity here in Glenside! The Newgrounds office happens to be near the Glenside commercial district on Easton road, an area that was designated many years ago as a destination for in-town shopping but hasn't ended up that way. Yeah, there are two good bars and a pizza shop on the main strip, but there are also multiple thrift stores, an exterminator and a place that sells motorized wheelchairs. While I don't want to downplay the contributions of any local businesses, as a resident of Glenside I would like to see this area thrive as it was intended to.


The big news is that two store fronts have recently become available, one having been an eyeglass shop and the other a thrift store. The eyeglass shop has already been occupied by a florist, who has done a great job at making it feel like a ritzy neighborhood flower shop. This sort of thing gives me hope for the rest of the street. Word has it, a dollar store has expressed interest in the remaining space. That sounds rather... blah.


The space is available for $1,100 per month and that includes heat. So the question is... Should Newgrounds open a store? We have a growing pool of merchandise, with more on the way, not to mention all the potential merchandise we COULD stock from our friends here on the web. It would be a totally unique store, unlike anything in the world, that directly represents all the cool stuff we're doing here on the web. It's hard to say how much interest we could generate from local foot traffic, but I like to think a Newgrounds store would be "hip" enough to push the Glenside commercial district towards a tipping point, where other new businesses give the location a shot. The flower shop gave me hope, so maybe we can help give hope to the next person.


Still, $1,100 a month isn't chump change (although it's much cheaper than I expected a store front to be). We would hopefully make it back in sales, but the location could totally flop. The real thing holding me back is the staffing issue. Would the NG staff take turns staffing the store, or would we hire someone new to staff it? Would sales be enough to warrant the additional salary? Whoever staffs the store could double as an administrator, essentially working for the website when no customers are visiting. Still, I've gotten pretty militant with the budget lately (for the sake of minimizing ads), so I don't want to be frivolous.


Benefits of having a store:


1) Gives us the opportunity to connect directly with fans (and potential fans), creating a sort of year-round Comic-Con here in Glenside.


2) Forces us to have a greater focus on what merchandise we are producing and what kind of feedback it is getting from the people who come and see it.


3) Creates a public meeting space for NG fans to visit and possibly test upcoming stuff before it goes public. I thought the office would be the place for that, but we realized that we come here to WORK and don't actually want people stopping in at random and hanging over our work spaces.


4) Expands the prestige of Newgrounds by giving us a more tangible presence in the world.


5) Benefits the Glenside commercial district (in my opinion) and hopefully attracts other new businesses.


Downsides to having a store:


1) We're already a small team that is spread too thin. This is just more work and more distractions.


2) It could end up being a money pit that no one shops at...


a) Rent - $13,200 per year.

b) Insurance - roughly $500 per year.

c) Staff - assume we're open six days, 48 hours per week, at $8-9 per hour... Add in payroll taxes and NG's health plan... Looking at over $25,000 per year.

d) Utilities - will it have internet? We would need a phone line for credit card processing. Heat is included, but still need electric... Could add up to $5k or more per year.

d) Repairs - we might need to fix stuff, but wouldn't own the space.


We're looking at roughly $50k per year to run a store, and that's being conservative. If the store is open 312 days of the year and we marked up every item by $10, we would need to sell 5,000 items per year, or 16 items per day. You can see why boutique shops charge so much!


It's fun to dream, though.


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I think it would be a great idea. I would def shop there. It would be cool to come in and see Tom and Wade and the rest of the crew every once and a while. Maybe I could get some merchandise in the store. Lol.

I see it now: "BUY THE HOTTEST SELLING ITEM EVER! THAT'S MY FULP DVD!"

I would def apply to work there .

You could probably hire people cheaper if they just do shit like cashier and clean up. Any monkey could do that job.

Good look and keep dreaming.

-Tony

It is quite a dream Tom, but I personally don't think you should do it. Yes it's true you'd be able to expand your empire, but so many empires in the past collapsed because it decided to reach further then they were ready for. 50k a year is... well monumental. I don't know how much you make a year in terms of profit but as a rule of thumb I firmly believe that you should have 50k worth of profit buffer if you're going to attempt this. By doing this if the store does poorly, worst case scenario, you've lost the year in terms of profit, but not significantly more.

Then again i've always been very cautious with things.

Phew... that's a pretty tough decision. I mean, a REAL NG store would of course be awesome. And I'd probably check by often, if only I wouldn't live on the other side of the ocean -_- If I'd live in that area I'd probably just say: GO FOR IT! :p

I don't know about NG's overall financial situation and how many items you sell right now via NG's online store. Also of course there's the question how dense the NG Fan population in the Glenside area is ;)

Either way, I wouldn't risk too much. If you think you guys can handle to take care of a store, got enough money on the side to give it a shot without risking too much and are selling enough items online to be realistic about selling a profitable amount of items as well in the offline world it probably would be worth a try. Maybe you could, like, sell comics, videogames or similar non-NG related stuff as well, as to attract non-(but-soon-to-be)-NG fans as well? Hard to say.

Anyways, be very very cautious. Don't burn yourself out. And best wishes in case you're really going to give it a try :)

It's certainly an awesome idea, but for the time being it's probably a very bad idea with the limited selection of NG merch available.
There's about 8 or so shirts, stickers, and a few figurines, as well as copies of Alien Hominid.

The way I see it, it could really bring down the site to unnecessarily open a store for a website, NG doesn't really exist in the real world does it? The costs far outweigh the benefits and I wouldn't be surprised if you'd have to sacrifice monthly winners. So far, the online store has provided most of the merchandise aforementioned too. (Also counting Alien hominid stuff)

I'm sure a bigger site like youtube or myspace would pull it off without a problem but the site simply isn't big enough, as awesome and influential on the web as Newgrounds has been.

We actually have a stock of NG artist DVDs that aren't yet available in the NG store, as well as a line of new shirts and some other surprises on the way... So the merch list is growing. But we WOULD probably need to supplement the NG merch with other cool stuff that is hard to find around here, such as designer vinyl figures or gadgets you would find at ThinkGeek. But yeah, over all it's sort of a pipe dream right now and not really a necessary business move. :)

Just turn the taximeter off... and also; shave that greasy hair of yours into this:

<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Taxi_Driver_still_1.jpg">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia /en/b/bf/Taxi_Driver_still_1.jpg</a>

I like the idea. A year round comic con would be fun.

OH WAIT ITS IN PENNSYLVANIA

I think it's a good idea and you know what, I think you should go with it. Look at Jay and Silent Bob's secret stash, it worked, it also made me angry that I couldn't go to it which is also what this is gonna do >:( Meh, spose I could save up for a while and take a trip to the states. Anyway, I think it would be pretty great and you shouldn't give up the dream. I know if I lived in America I'd be taking a train or whatever to visit regularly and hang around like its the quick stop, so I think your masses of US fans would do it too.

Well, as you said that would be a dream, but in my opinion it would be a risk right now. Opening such a shop in Glenside wouldn't be such a good idea, since the NG fanbase is spread all across the world (I'm from Italy myself :-D)...

I don't think fans would travel all across the USA just to go to the official NG shop. I mean, if I could I'd do it, but that's just impossible. What about selling NG merchandise via chain stores? That would be much better in my opinion.

Good luck anyway!

I've been considering approaching some chain stores, but part of what I like about an NG store is the "magical feeling" of someone stumbling across it - a store full of things they never knew existed. I think about how no matter where I go in the country, it's the same stores... The games are at Gamestop, the coffee is at Starbucks, etc. etc... It's fun to create something that is completely unique and mysterious.

Why not try to open the store for just a few months or is there a lease? and selling 16 items at $10 a day isnt too bad, Plus it would attract people from all over. Newgrounds is huge people would love that, Why not try it out for a few months? You could do deals with flash artists to sell there Dvds or art or something too, You could totaly pull that off your Tom Fulp lol!

It's nice to see people make objective replies. Deadheadtottie and Rupeeclock bring up some good points.

Could you generate enough sales from the people in the area to pay for when NG fans don't come? how about general tourists? If you find enough of the target demographic in the area, could they afford to buy from there?

You should also try to find out why the florist and eyeglass shop closed/moved. You would definately get some relevant information out of it.

I'll pm you the rest (I have my reasons).

@herblin: He said they would need to mark up the prices, so they would cost $10 more than online.

lol, NG health plan :)

Sell weed out the back tom.

One thing I forgot in the pm, if you did take the risk to open the store, store-exclusive merchandise could help.

Hmm..Cool idea but not a good choice to make at this time. Newgrounds is big but thats worldwide. But you never know, I would definitely visit the Newgrounds store even if its in Pennsylvania. Matter of fact NG is an exceptionally huge close knit on/offline community, people just might travel from all parts just to say they been to the official Newgrounds Store.
Hey if you opened a store in NYC I would love to work there! You're guaranteed business over here.

This post is a post you put on the Front Page, and the Justin Timberlake post goes here !

well if i could i'd come and work there man. for free too, anything to support my favorite website =D

you should open a drift store. you could sell t-shirts, stickers, maybe even Alien Hominid doll. Newgrounds fans would totally go to your store. Go for it, Tom!

If you did open a store, I guarantee I would take a plane just to go see it.

I would wait until you get more mech which will hopefully expand your porift, this will make it easier to set up but it may also lead to you not getting the store. its times like these that it either works or it doesn't.

I think its a great idea to open up a store but in order for it to successful lot's of plublicity.

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