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TomFulp

Age/Gender: 30, Male
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Hi there! In case you didn't know, I created newgrounds. No, it wasn't made by some giant company - just some dumb kid. I also co-founded the Behemoth; we made Alien Hominid and Castle Crashers. Yoink!

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TomFulp

Obscure 2D Gaming

Posted by TomFulp Nov. 14, 2007 @ 11:51 PM EST

When we got set up at the office two years ago, I brought all my old video game systems out of storage so they could have another run. One of the games I was most excited to play was Overhauled Man 3, a PC Engine (TurboGrafx in US) CD game I had imported from Japan back in 1992.

OHM3 always had a special place in my heart because it had this fun non-stop feel to it. It wasn't the greatest game ever made, but you could tell they were trying to give you lots of eye candy and variety so nothing ever felt dull. You had an attack (sword) button and a jump button, and holding down your attack button let you fire off a sparkling fireball, which you could then (barely) control if you pressed down the button and held it again after releasing. This let you stear the fireball into enemies in the air, or even loop around completely... There was something fun and unique about it.

This was also a year before Gunstar Heroes, one of the most inspirational games of my life. Both had similar graphical styles, although GH was better designed and had a lot more explosions.

Still, I consider OHM3 to be one of those games that inspired the games I make today. I was excited to play it again... But alas, my CD reader no longer worked.

This past week, I downloaded (and had to register - wtf) an emulator called Magic Engine. So far I haven't been able to get any rom files from old CD games to load, but I CAN put my old CDs in the CD drive and load them up just like my PC was a TurboGrafx! I am finally able to play OHM3 again, and the emulation seems perfect. The load times are a lot better now, too! It's starting to show its age, but I still love it.

We've been playing a lot of oldschool arcade games lately - looking for those bits of 2D inspiration. Since I'm working on Castle Crashers, I really enjoy studying oldschool brawlers. I'm an especially big fan of that forgotten period in the 90s, where the arcade games were too good for the SNES and Genesis, but not up to the 3D standards (or RAM limitations) of the Playstation and Nintendo 64 that would follow. Stuff like The Punisher, Battletoads (arcade version) and Violent Storm.

I like oddities, such as the Spiderman brawler where the camera zooms out and switches to a platformer mid-level. I feel like no other brawlers really did that. I've been tinkering with a level in Castle Crashers that becomes a shooter mid-level. It feels totally natural and intuitive, IMO. I've always liked games that changed up genres and introduced variety, but I never liked it when I felt like I was playing a different game from one level to the next. You gotta keep it natural - let the players feel like they've been controlling the same character the whole time. It has to be a seamless transition. I'm hoping I nail it.

We're starting to catalogue the really obscure brawlers and shooters we've been discovering. More on that later.

On a totally random note, the Battletoads arcade game has to be the only game where you can grab enemies by the balls and punch them repeatedly. It's pretty awesome. If you give yourself a delay between punches, it releases the grab move and you can start it up again immediately without the enemy countering you. This allows you to do an infinite ball punch at your liesure, although the enemy doesn't seem to take damage until you finish the combo, so you can punch them in the balls like 100 times and they will still be alive afterwards.

Note: The ball grab is a context sensitive grab move that is specific to one enemy type in the game.

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Nov. 14, 2007 | 11:55 PM ProBo says:

OVER A HUNDRED BALL PUNCHES!! WOW!!

And ow....


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:08 AM PiGPEN says:

Dude......a sea robot. I need more sea robots.
NEXT GAME I DO IS ABOUT SEA ROBOTS NO ONE STEAL MY IDEA KTHX!

Also....fighting amphibians you say?


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:13 AM Fierras says:

In the image it looks like the boy is gonna punch the girl.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:13 AM iHippo says:

I feel a dance coming on...
*Does chicken dance.*


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:18 AM Mad-Mardigan says:

I didn't see whats very great about Gunstar...
Since you stated once it was your favorite game ever, I decided to download it on the Wii. Its probably just me and my brother, but we didn't have much fun playing it. It was too short and repetitive.
I want my 800 points back! >: (


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:23 AM Dazmi says:

Both my parents are gamers. When my Dad bought a N64 (my first game system) They played Mario Party 2 all night that saturday Owo

The both have weird games that they like too.
My Dads fav is pretty much any golf game, and my Moms fav is Diner Dash.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:28 AM SamIam says:

That picture looks like something from Ranma 1/2....
The guy looks like Male Ranma and the girl looks like Female Ranma.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:31 AM senior-twinki says:

awesome! I'd totally ball punch that.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:37 AM 125Maniac says:

W00T!!!!

Wicked!

Where are the good old days? Pixels? Mario with a brown mo?

And, between you and me, I don't like those new "revivals".

Good to know that someone is proud of good old Atari machines running DOS and playing, well, quixotic(?) games!


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:43 AM spite-skater says:

Have you ever heard of Game Cabinets? My friend got a hold of one and we played it for hours. It basically emulates any game system and has (just about) every retro game ever made and all of its versions. Check it out - http://www.gamecabinetsinc.com/uprigh t.shtml
I honestly played it all night and am dieing to get back over there.

Nov. 15, 2007 | 1:50 AM TomFulp responds:

We've been talking about getting one for the office. I dunno when, tho.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 1:37 AM RubberNinja says:

Haha I remember I played Street Gangs on NES when I was young.. That game was so much fun. I miss the good ol' brawlers.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 2:04 AM LeeJaySan says:

Uhhhh..... What game is that in the snapshot?

Nov. 15, 2007 | 2:33 AM TomFulp responds:

That's from the ending of OHM3.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 2:12 AM ismellarat says:

"Nice one Tom" >: (


Nov. 15, 2007 | 2:17 AM MRat says:

To tell the truth, it takes a whole lot of love and ingenuitiy to get me to play a 3D shooter/brawler type game. I'm generaly 2D all the way when it comes to that stuff... My 3D games are platorformers, adeventure, and strategy usually. A rare FPS here and there could do it. Or soemthing like the Punisher PC game where the tortures ruled.

I'm really looking forward to when people see the Behemoth and go, "Those are the dude who brought solid, well thought out, creative, and actually fun gaming back from the dead."

It's a shame I don't have a 360 atm, but hopefully I grab one for Castle Crashers.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 2:33 AM jmtb02 says:

I still believe the 1980's remains the best era in gaming. People were really willing to experiment and test the waters a bit when it came to game design. I mean, the home console market didn't really take off until the late 70's with the 2600 and the spread of gaming cabinets, so they didn't really have much to look back on or compare quality to; i think that resulted in some amazing styles and gameplay that we have lost to time and to the current industry getting stuck in niche gaming schemes.

I had to buy about 4 wire adapters to do it, but my SNES and NES sit happily connected to my office computer, with Journey to Silius (AMAZING arranged music) and Super Mario Bros 2 waiting to be played. There's nothing like the feel of a flat two button controller in hand :).

http://jmtb02.com/john-desk.jpg

Nov. 15, 2007 | 2:42 AM TomFulp responds:

Nice! We've been playing with game pads on Stamper's computer. Today we played through Escape from the Planet of the Robot Monsters... I hadn't played that since it was in arcades in '89. In my memory I saw it as such a perfect game. When we finally got it up and running, it wasn't as stunning as I remembered... But still a blast. The fun part was competing for who could save the most hostages in each level.

That's the cool opportunity we have now, though... The Robot Monsters in my mind was this really smooth really slick game, but the game I actually played was pretty choppy. But if I wanted to, I could try to make a game that plays like it did in my memory - all fast and smooth. That's like what Castle Crashers is to me... It embodies all my memories of playing classic brawlers, but it plays a lot faster and smoother.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 3:39 AM GrandfatherClock says:

download TROG for the nes


Nov. 15, 2007 | 3:44 AM RubberNinja says:

^ Seconded.. TROG was freaking awesome. One of my all time favourite games on the NES. PAC MAN with dinosaurs that ate pineapples to turn into a T-Rex.. WHILST eating cavemen.. What more could you want.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 5:35 AM The-Red-Jack says:

Classic videogames really rocks!


Nov. 15, 2007 | 6:44 AM Wiiporter says:

That is very... touching, Tom. I was never really into that sort of game at the time, but I remember falling in love with another obscure platformer: Kirby. Peppy music, addictive gameplay, hilariously cutesy graphics... Sigh... If only I didn't just rent them...


Nov. 15, 2007 | 8:21 AM Yiffy says:

Might try to get some old memories back here, all retro PC games you can imagine.

http://www.abandonia.com/index2.php

Good stuff.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 8:21 AM Sonucais says:

Belive me, those 2D games are the best games I have, even if are from few years ago, I still get the classic control and style ones.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 10:28 AM doberman7 says:

Sounded awesome, i havent played any good games like this for ages, and the oldschool stuff is great as well, i dont tend to often play them (Usually cant be bothered or that i dont get the time)
But either way, nice screenshot of the OHM3.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 11:12 AM Paper-Shadow says:

Why do you get to do all the fun things...

Wait, I've get the Source SDK for Portal, sweet...


Nov. 15, 2007 | 11:25 AM k0mat0se says:

Heh, I remember when some dude ganked your Playstation from the office. Or maybe it was an X-Box?


Nov. 15, 2007 | 11:28 AM BlueHippo says:

Cool stuff Tom, that's the kind of 'extensive research' I'd like to have to go through... playing hours of retro bad ass games to decide which asset really helps it kick ass! Unfortunately, though I did play some of those games while younger, I didn't play them enough to have an extensive knowledge and be able to suggest , I could have suggested you some awesome emulators, but a lot of those grounds have been covered :P I've never even had the pleasure of getting my hands on a TurboGrafx, nevertheless an original Japanese one, a nice item you've got yourself there. I hope Castle Crashes really grabs the old school feel with two hands, I would have assumed it was too late to go back and add these key features, but clearly I know nothing. Welll uhhh, you and Dan keep up the good work ;D


Nov. 15, 2007 | 11:37 AM G-Freeman says:

holy shit have you ever played "Monster Bash"?


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:00 PM aap says:

Haha, I've played Monster Bash.

I tried to fix my DOS computer last week, without succes. :( I wanna play Commander Keen and Lemmings, I want to play them noooooow. :(


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:10 PM k0mat0se says:

Gah, Commander Keen was the shit.

If you want to play Monster Bash, here's the first episode, free.

ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/share/1bash21.
zip


Nov. 15, 2007 | 12:14 PM k0mat0se says:

Also, Commander Keen episodes 1 and 4.

ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/share/1keen.zi p
ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/share/4keen.zi p


Nov. 15, 2007 | 1:39 PM test-object says:

I'm from the Genesis generation, and I still love "Ghostbusters" and
"Wonderboy: Monsters Lair"... the non-stop screen was annoying though.

...Why am I telling you?


Nov. 15, 2007 | 1:50 PM The-Swain says:

The TMNT arcade game changed my life.


Nov. 15, 2007 | 7:26 PM damster61 says:

you rule


Nov. 15, 2007 | 10:42 PM Grind29 says:

See, old games are hard but do put you up to a challenge, but new games today in the 00's, suck hard ass. Which is why I hardly play my xbox360 and go straight to my Nintendo or N64.


Nov. 16, 2007 | 2:28 PM KupaMan says:

The way you're talking about Castle Crashers going shooter in a level reminds me of how you guys did a similar thing with Alien Hominid and the aircraft shooting segment. I can't wait to play this game. I just wish it were also coming to the PlayStation Store.


Nov. 17, 2007 | 4:56 AM N0nsense says:

Bro. TOm

Can you Fix that Pico rollute


Nov. 17, 2007 | 9:12 AM SOnic30 says:

kewl pic


Nov. 17, 2007 | 4:42 PM jackster20 says:

dude awesome


Nov. 17, 2007 | 6:06 PM grlsmacker says:

There are a couple of stolen submissions Tom I sent you a PM there all from Kaywire
http://www-kaywire-com.newgrounds.com /
This User has been stealing many submissions this week and you've already banned him for stealing twice here are links to his and the originals
He stole his Odessy ones from here http://flashlands.com/artist_view.php ?id=60
His Mac vs PC is clearly ripped from here http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view /271706
his Pastic life one is from here http://flashlands.com/flash_view.php?
id=121

Please Ip Ban him he's done this on tons of accounts now I count 4 and he's using them to get out of Bans So an Ip Ban is really the only way :(


Nov. 17, 2007 | 8:14 PM lilmissy308 says:

awesome man
may I add that tom is incredibly cute (not to be confused with the myspace guy)


Nov. 18, 2007 | 7:40 PM Eggys says:

You're a computer genius, Tom. And what's DanPaladin up to these days, besides Castle Crashers?


Nov. 19, 2007 | 9:41 AM Matt-Moore says:

I used to go to an arcade almost everyday during lunch. I play'd way to much Raiden and Metal Slug for my own good..


Nov. 19, 2007 | 3:26 PM smicothegreat says:

the game that had a special place in my heart was street fighters 2, i used to lose to my bigger brothers al the time. then when they stopped playing it for 5 minutes, i went crazily insane in the mind, blowing away both of them with sonic booms and shoryukens. that is how i got my obsession with videogames and fighting. lol ball grab, art of 1 million punches to the groin


Nov. 19, 2007 | 7:50 PM greenday8 says:

i love this its classic and futuristic


Nov. 21, 2007 | 11:55 AM voidshatter says:

lawl... battletoads....


Nov. 21, 2007 | 2:40 PM Wiiporter says:

Tom, are you just about done with Castle Crashers?? I mean, I can wait for Brawl, but this is too damn much!


Nov. 22, 2007 | 11:45 AM SlimeManMan says:

I hope they put it on the Virtual Consle, it sounds really great!


Nov. 22, 2007 | 3:50 PM WarSyndicate says:

2D games were done tastefully, with all the limitations they had. I can spend more time playing 2D games like Streets of Rage, rather than Marvel Ultimate Alliance (not that even play Ultimate Alliance)


Nov. 24, 2007 | 6:38 AM pacometaloso says:

Way you go up levels any more Tom.
p.s.Ia 1 of your bigets fans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!


Nov. 24, 2007 | 2:46 PM zZkidZz says:

:-)
I added u as a $^% friend!


Nov. 24, 2007 | 8:21 PM ShinigamiRem says:

I think that no matter what, the old games will still be some of the best around.


Nov. 24, 2007 | 9:59 PM HangManFred says:

It might not be a brawler; but Space Quest is one of my favorite 2D games. It's a classic! :p


Nov. 24, 2007 | 11:35 PM N0nsense says:

Tom plss Fix ur project
I want pico's BAck


Nov. 26, 2007 | 5:57 PM BoMToons says:

I don't remember if I mentioned this, but I was so impressed that you actually completed the demo of Trick or Treat Adventure Quest we sent you (without a walkthrough ;) ).

You've got an inspirationally compulsive love for gaming detail. Makes me wish I could art up a game for you just to see what unique gameplay ideas you'd come up with in the creative process.

I'm really looking forward to the final version of castle crashers but especially pixel puncher (which I understand is a bit of a tribute to gunstar heroes).

Nov. 27, 2007 | 1:27 PM TomFulp responds:

Thanks!

Pixel Puncher isn't exactly a tribute to anything in particular, just 2D gaming goodness... It takes some inspiration from Astroboy on the GBA (another game by Treasure) and tries to have that general Treasure flair. I'm really proud of it and wish I had finished it back when I first started it, instead of letting it drag out while I try to keep focus on CC... For years now.

The entire engine was developed in Flash 6 but I later started working on it in Flash 8, so I could add some cool filter effects that Mike made (such as mosaic de-resolution effects and explosion blooms). I WANT TO FINISH IT AND SHOW IT TO EVERYONE. :)


Nov. 26, 2007 | 7:53 PM RaNcIdPsYcHoJoSh says:

A level that becomes a shooter in the middle? You mean like Wasted Sky?

I think it should be a curtain-fire level to go with the difficulty inherent in the rest of the game. Castle Crashers IS hard, right?

If you don't know what I mean by curtain-fire, well, Ikaruga is that type of game. Maybe there should be a reward if you go through the shooter section without getting hit once? Just a suggestion.

Also, do enemies flash white or red when you hit them? I loooove that in games.


Nov. 26, 2007 | 9:05 PM HippieSlayer23 says:

yeah you cant beat the classics...
i still love to play street fighter XD


Nov. 27, 2007 | 12:44 AM jesmarlesmar says:

battle toads... now that brings up good punching-kicking-weirdstuff-punching game memories


Nov. 27, 2007 | 2:26 AM knugen says:

Hey Tom! I asked Ross about the new rules for the front page posts, but he said that he didn't know if you wanted them to be public or not, so he suggested that I asked you.. So, if they are public, could we please know more about them? Or if they're not, maybe we can get a hint at least? ;)


Nov. 27, 2007 | 6:46 PM Bo-Bo-Bo says:

I never played the original Gunstar Heroes, but i did play the remale on the GBA. WIth the Wii though, we can download old classics like mario, punch-out, and street fighter. In todays modern world, you dont even need the game systems for the retro games to play 'em. Gosh, I love tech


Dec. 8, 2007 | 12:15 PM naruto83159 says:

from what game is this from

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