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TomFulp
Hi there! In case you didn't know, I created newgrounds. No, it wasn't made by some giant company - just some dumb kid who now has help. I also co-founded the Behemoth; we made Alien Hominid and Castle Crashers. Icon by Pegosho, banner by OmenaKettu.

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Posted by TomFulp - January 20th, 2011


There are a growing number of accounts that frequently submit games... I won't call them shitty games but they are cookie cutter games that appear to just keep rolling off an assembly line. The creators are either opportunists who employ third world labor, or developers who are swapping out some graphics and exerting minimal effort to submit as many games as possible.


Now, we've always been pretty lax about SPAM and we let you guys attempt to BLAM or PROTECT it... A lot of these games manage to make it through with reasonable scores in the 2.5-3.0 range and I guess some people are enjoying them. Many of them are somewhat decent, they just happen to be re-used over and over with new themes.


Do you think games like this should just continue to exist and pile up on NG? Or should we some day face a COOKIE CUTTER GAME APOCALYPSE where they all get mass-blammed?


I also am weary of the growing trend of games where you don't know who really made it. We don't allow you to submit a "stolen" game that someone else made, but we do let companies submit games that were produced by their staff, or developers they sponsored. Stuff like this likely won't be deleted, but as the amount of submissions on NG grows, I will continue to tighten the focus on games that were made by recognizable individuals. So keep that in mind when it comes to assigning credits.


Thoughts?


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I vote for apocalypse.

Well~ though the usual Newgrounds way of letting the user-base blam and protect submissions works for a majority of reasons, then again, we all know it also has its share of problems.

I reckon that a mass blamming of these unoriginal games would be justified, so I wouldn't let that idea slide~ It'll make a lot of room for those other improvements to the site, whatever they may be, and more "original content" by the users.

So in my opinion, if there were to be a blam apocalypse, I'd give it the go ahead, Tom.

I vote with MrDonkey. Apocalypse it is. Seriously, I don't give a damn about those games.

I love the cookie cutter mass blam idea. I was making some icons a while ago and one guy literally submitted the same game 6-7 times.

make it like the tressure hunt apart from all the found games are burned and who ever kills the most wins

I agree with this it is a bit dodgy if you can just make an account pretending you are a sponsor and submit stolen games.
I think there should be atleast some credits in the description of the games or in the game itself if only the sponsor submits the game. but then still the actual creators wouldn't get any profit out of it.
I think I would mass blam it unless they co-author the people that did the work (drew art made the music etc.)

I vote for apocalypse, honestly I understand your concerns. Inf act, I kinda am too. I've seen games that I know for a fact someone else made them. Like the Run Jesus Run game. I know for a fact that the one who submitted it was not the one who made it. But it made it through, got front paged and all. It kinda bothers me. But I truly believe a lot of people are just trying too hard to become big on here. It's everyones dream on here to get huge, lets face it. Its the truth. But this doesn't give them license to submit such crappy material to our portal.

I'm pretty sure you will make the right thing, and I look forward to it actually. I'm tired of seeing all this cookie cutter crap on here as well.

Run Jesus Run is totally legit - it has molleindustria credited in the intro and the molleindustria account is validated to an email address from the molleindustria web domain.

If they pass judgment, they pass judgement... just don't promote them at all. The other thing to consider is that I am, in fact, in b4 Louis

I seriously think that blamming would partially solve the problem. We can't really expect to let this slide, but there is no effective way to solve it either so we are basically left with one question

How do we permanently solve this?

Vote for apocalypse, but asking which we want to still continue having.
I don't support newgrounds buying T-Shrits and stuff for viewing that each day there are 500^2000 games that are girl games, car games or clic games.
I know how hard is programming, but they can explode a code as many times they do!

The creators of the accounts should say who made their games and it gets annoying especially the user 123bee who mades mediocre room escape games. Its spamming the portal and i hate to see shitty games getting 5s that hard working flash game workers deserve.

i think overall the scoring inflation could be knocked back a bit.for these "Cookie cutter both movies and games" its too easy for them to make it into the portal green - even with just the slightest effort.

also i definitely think its more fun when i can place and artist to a game rather than a company - that way it feels like i'm interacting more with the ng community rather than going to one of those shitty games sites

so i guess i would say apocalypse as well

If you're referring to the type of things such as those 10 "dress up" games a week that are submitted by the same 1-2 users using alts such as 123dressup etc.

I vote yes on deleting and banning their continued existence.

I think most sponsors allow the people to submit games, and games submitted by regular people tend to get better scores. And I am also sick of devs rehashing games. If we could I'd blam them, but they get good scores so obviously the audience likes them :/

Tom it's time for you to become a iron fist dictator. If they do not obey off with their heads.

i think mass blam.
but dont just go blaming things.
if its a repeat, blam it unless iots the original.
if its shit that is spam/troll material, BLAM.
if it is hard to decide on flash1, then hold a vote on the individual things, so that some of these hard to decide ones get blammed and others dont.
and also a warning system and update system would be good.

I say the apocalypse is a bit to extreme, but people should really instead be alittle bit more cautious with their 5's, It's everyone's fault really. The people who vote on it, the people you submit it and even newgrounds. as long as these cookie cutter games don't make it on to the front page or anything I think we'll all be just fine.

@kanrik
i think we should ahve a super filter made up of computer AND users, so that it works with everyone.
if the cpu thinks its bad, it will tell a select unit of 10-100 members (from a select team of 1,000-10,000 members) about this specific flash and let them decide.

Yes i do think you should delete the Newgrounds Youtube page and stop being such infidels.

destroy them

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